"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
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That works out to a little over a million and a half dollars to create one job. No word on what those jobs will pay, nor whether they’ll be union jobs...
random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 09:20 |
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This is the company that I posted about, the W-15 truck, the perfect vehicle.
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> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 09:29 |
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The jobs are at multiple GM sites, so at least they should be union jobs, which is good. It will be interesting to see what Workhorse does with the factory. Could be a good deal for the area. At least it’s better than nothing.
I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 09:30 |
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Isn't Trumbull County (where Lordstown is) Right to Work? These won't be union jobs. In fact, I'd be surprised if the jobs come at all. The whole Youngstown area is dead.
If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 09:33 |
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Why is the president of the United States shilling for GM on so cial media anyways ?
fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 09:51 |
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Sounds like vaporware so far.
Just like China and NK have been settled. And I suspect I know how people in Ohio will continue to vote.
WilliamsSW
> I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
05/09/2019 at 10:21 |
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The 400 jobs are actually GM jobs elsewhere in Ohio, so probably union.
The article doesn’t really state how many jobs Workhorse may add- it’s worded a bit confusingly ( and probably intentionally so tbh).
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> random001
05/09/2019 at 10:22 |
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Battery range: 75 miles.
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WilliamsSW
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 10:23 |
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Well, GM isn’t investing 700M to create jobs, they’re doing it to make more money. It just so happens that the effort to make more money ends up needing more workers.
Because they’ll be GM workers in Ohio, I would expect that they’ll be union but who knows.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc
05/09/2019 at 10:24 |
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I don't know if it's good or not, but it won't be $12/hr work with no benefits.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
05/09/2019 at 10:25 |
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Shilling or bullying?
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 10:27 |
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Yeah, which covers the commute of most people, and Then it gets 32 mpg on the gas motor, which is better than any other truck I know.
vondon302
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
05/09/2019 at 10:58 |
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To short sell on the market.
BahamaTodd
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 11:45 |
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The investment is going towards plant expansions to increase capacity. The amount of jobs created have no direct correlation with this.
Because of today’s political climate GM now has to announce every new investment or expansion.
This was all going to happen anyway. They have a new generation of HD pickups and are introducing the new 4500 and 5500 Silverado so they will need more Duramax engines. GM will eventually use the 10 speed in all of their RWD applications so they will need more of them. Etc.
The DMAX plant in Moraine is expanding diesel engine production for GM’s all-new heavy-duty pickups, which go on sale later this year.
Toledo Transmission will expand production of the company’s all-new 10-speed automatic transmission for trucks and SUVs.
The Parma Metal Center will expand production of stamped parts and deploy laser cell welding technology.
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> random001
05/09/2019 at 12:03 |
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I’ll do some more research, but if it’s getting 32 mph, it’s utility as a pickup truck is in question in my mind.
I tend to be of the mind that hybrid vehicles are something that help individuals feel good
about themselves and do little over an efficient ICE-powered vehicle that is a net gain for the planet. Complex and e-waste.
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> BahamaTodd
05/09/2019 at 12:06 |
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Ten Speeds > Sensible
Everything you said here is fine with me, though I thought maybe we were moving past our obsession with diesel engines that require horse piss tank refills and all of that.
What I was really doing was, on the under, calling attention to a tweet by the twit in chief. Interesting arithmetic though, $1.56M/job created.
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 12:15 |
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It’s not set up to haul tons of stuff, or tow more than 5000 lbs, but most people with trucks don’t do that.
And I think you are very wrong about your opinions on the utility of hybrids and PHEVs on saving money and the environment. If you don’t think the guy with the $75k truck who commutes in it to work and once a month puts something of value in the bed is doing more damage than this truck would, the math says otherwise.
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 12:18 |
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I mean, the truck is 4WD and has 460 HP. What more utility do you want?
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> random001
05/09/2019 at 12:42 |
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I don’t dislike you because you like that truck. I just think hybrids are a stupid, overly complicated concept.
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> random001
05/09/2019 at 12:48 |
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I’ve never seen anything to illustrate that a hybrid vehicle, over the course of its life of, I’ll arbitrarily say, 246,000 miles, amounts to a net gain for the planet over an efficient, well maintained ICE-powered vehicle. In particular, mining the necessary elements for the batteries has human cost and environmental cost that I’ve never seen quantified. And demand for lithium and cobalt and other related goodies is skyrocketing. And how is it disposed of at the end of the line?
All questions that I have no answers for. My ‘91 Corolla, at 236,000 miles, still passes smog and gets 33 mph on the highway. We’ll have to wait around another 17 years to see whether any of this eco-poof stuff is still on the road.
I’m not hating, I’m skeptical.
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 13:08 |
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When you look at highway mpg, the advantages do diminish quickly, I agree. It’s the around town driving that really lends a hybrid it’s advantage. Your Corolla is rated at 22 city, a Prius is rated more than twice that, closer to 48. However, it still gets 45 mpg highway, vs 33 for the Corolla. That said, I would not replace a good running old car with a new fancy expensive hybrid to save money, because you can’t recoup it. But if the Corolla bites it, There’s almost no reason anymore not to look at a hybrid. The Hyundai Ioniq starts at $22,000, and returns close to 60 mpg highway, and it certainly more safe than the Corolla. That’s the MSRP new. I’ve seen then drop under $19,000.
There was a time when the price premium was absolutely for early adopters, but anymore that’s not the case. As for the complexity, it has more parts, but is it any more complex than a regular car anymore? I’d say not really, because that implies that modern engines are still the simple machines of yesteryear.
This is a good article summarizing a study by Argonne National Labs:
the short of it is that yes, the hybrid and electric vehicles do produce more pollution in production, but they overcome the pollution of ICE cars very quickly. For a Tesla, with the biggest batteries, even in Ohio where our electricity is almost all fossil burning plants, it takes a year for the EV to have less lifetime pollution than an average ICE car.
As for disposal, a lot of the batteries are recycled, either for their elements, or into new lives. Tesla takes batteries they’ve replaced and makes powerwalls out of them. Nissan has a program to do the same. Unless it’s a GM with an LSx, re-use is rarely in the cards for the powerplant of most regular cars.
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 13:11 |
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WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME!
heh...
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> random001
05/09/2019 at 13:25 |
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BECAUSE YOU SUCK
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random001
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 13:31 |
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lols
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> random001
05/09/2019 at 13:31 |
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I had a rental several years ago of a Ford Fusion Hybrid. I drove it about a thousand miles in Summer and it was a very good drive, though I didn’t find the dash/driver feedback stuff very satisfying. At one point, I was in Norfolk, Virginia, in August, sitting in a mall parking lot mid afternoon with the car “idling” and the AC turned on. The engine only ran about half of the time. That was a real thing. If you worked out of your car a lot, sales rep, field rep, or whatever, that circumstance would be a strong argument in favor of a hybrid car.
My BIL had a Gen 2 Prius that he put about 240k miles on and by the end, the thing was TOTALLY KNACKERED. The engine uses a quart of oil in a few hundred miles and has a bad knock. The batteries are spent. Comfortable seats, but just dullsville to drive. Granted, that’s a critique of a specific model.
And I drove my nephew’s Volt, which I thought might be almost as difficult to drive as a 747 might be to fly.
Tristan
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
05/09/2019 at 14:06 |
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Remember when the President called GM the “World’s number 1 automaker” during the SOTU address after giving them $51B and killing Hummer, Saturn and Pontiac?
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> Tristan
05/09/2019 at 14:29 |
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No, I was a self-absorbed tweenager when that happened.
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Tristan
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
05/09/2019 at 14:33 |
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I may be 35, but I’m still a self-absorbed teenager.
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> Tristan
05/09/2019 at 15:26 |
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That sounds like a YOU problem
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Tristan
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
05/09/2019 at 15:27 |
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Aye.
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> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/09/2019 at 19:37 |
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The workhorse jobs could be, but the GM jobs should be at least a decent wage and bennys. Again, at least it’s better than nothing.